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mdonn76405

10-04-2007, 10:22 PM

Michael G. Page wrote the moratorium agreement, represents the TCID, work for the developer, belongs to Houston partnership, contributes to Rob Eissler, Tommy Williams and others in Montgomery County even though his office is in Houston.
And the circle is huge, but still a circle. The residents don't have prayers chance in H___ if they don't stand up and vote NO. In my opinion none of these have any interest except their own.

http://www.cityofmanvel.com/files/archives/MUD/District_30/07-25-06-Min..pdf http://www.westlakemud1.com/consultants/index.html

http://www.centerfieldhoa.org/mud15.htm

http://www.cityofmanvel.com/files/archives/council/minutes/2005/20050411.swf

Consideration and possible action on a request from Schwartz, Page & Harding L.L.P. to amend the development agreement between the City of Manvel and ...

http://www.cityofmanvel.com/files/archives/MUD/District_30/07-25-06-Min..pdf

Westlake Municipal Utility District No. 1
Local Government Officer Conflicts Disclosure Statements on file at Schwartz, Page & Harding, L. L. P., as required by law, may be seen here. ...

http://www.thewoodlandsgovernance.org/docs/TommyWilliamsRemarks12-7-061.pdf

PDF]NEWS RELEASE

Mike Page, of Schwartz, Page & Harding has labored tirelessly for many years, often on an unpaid. basis, to craft the current moratorium agreement. ...

[PDF]COMMISSIONERS’ COURT DOCKET, JUNE 12, 2006 REGUL...

of Schwartz, Page & Harding, L.L.P., as the number assigned for the first Montgomery County. Levee Improvement District, as per Request on file. ...

www.co.montgomery.tx.us/comcrt/minutes/06122006.pdf - Similar pages

http://www.co.montgomery.tx.us/comcrt/minutes/06122006.pdf

The Woodlands Town Center

Other sponsors of the event included: The Woodlands Resort and Conference Center; City of Shenandoah; CB&I; Schwartz, Page & Harding; Munday Chevrolet; ...

The Center for Houston's Future: About :: Supporters

Schwartz, Page & Harding Scurlock Foundation Byron Spruell Lois Stark Kimberly J. Sterling Strake Foundation Tan Associates Tanox, Inc.

http://blogs.chron.com/woodlands/archives/All%20Campaign%20Contributions.xls

Campaign supporter Tommy Williams

The Woodlands Town Center Improvement District

Frank Robinson, President for the District, pointed out that they were unable to attain the final billing amount with Schwartz, Page & Harding, ...

http://www.oag.state.tx.us/opinions/requests_ga/RQ0097GA.pdf

http://www.houston.org/committees/roster.asp?committee=LOCALREL

http://txprod.ethics.state.tx.us/public/304836.pdf

http://txprod.ethics.state.tx.us/public/300115noadd.pdp

This could go on and on.

Schwartz, Page & Harding, L.L.P.

Address: Suite 1400
1300 Post Oak Boulevard
Houston, TX 77056-3012
Map & Directions

Phone: (713) 623-4531

Fax: (713) 623-6143

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Candleman

10-04-2007, 10:33 PM

http://www.hcnonline.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=18881475&BRD=1574&PAG=461&dept_id=532533&rfi=6

Mike Page, general counsel for the TCID, said the directive of the Governance Steering Committee was to "create an opportunity for self governance" but didn't specify incorporation was that solution.

Page is an attorney who works for the Developer. Check his bio.
Michael Page, Attorney for The Woodlands Operating Company, L.P., ...

WHY THE EDIT????????????????????????

mdonn76405

10-04-2007, 10:35 PM

I found him. I wish I didn't. It just showed me that there is nobody looking out for the residents but us.

Plus i like everything to be factual.

Candleman

10-04-2007, 10:37 PM

That's a slippery slope there mdonn. Be careful with the insinuations. You loose credibility when you make those types of claims, when the information is so easy to find. That is just WRONG on so many levels. I think you owe an apology!!!

mdonn76405

10-04-2007, 10:40 PM

I apologize, I looked on my Texas Bar and missed it and I corrected it.

But seriously I think he and the others owe the residents for S__________ us without a kiss.

Candleman

10-04-2007, 10:40 PM

From mdonn
Plus i like everything to be factual.
Then a couple clicks of your mouse would have led you in the right direction. There was NO excuse for that blantant mis-representation. Since you claim to be a paralegal and your wife an attorney I would think you would know better.

Candleman

10-04-2007, 10:45 PM

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I apologize, I looked on my Texas Bar and missed it and I corrected it.

That boat don't float Capt. All you had to do was type his name in the blue box on the Texas Bar web site. If your research is that poor how can we believe anything else you say. Your credibility has been greatly damaged. Which, is unfortunate for those that want to vote NO based on some of your "research".

Candleman

10-04-2007, 10:51 PM

So sue me. I correct my mistakes, get a life.
That seems to be a favorite quote of yours. That does not excuse the false post. I am not sure who corrected you, but I do know I posted the link to the State Bar of Texas. You don't owe me an apology, I am sure YOU know who YOU owe the apology to.

Candleman

10-05-2007, 01:11 AM

What happened to all the posts? Who deleted them?

Candleman

10-05-2007, 07:26 AM

I was able to go back and retrieve the posts that were deleted if anyone wants to see them. This stuff is getting kind of nasty. I'm not sure if it is intentional to confuse folks or what. But, the implications are not a good thing. People need to remember honesty without slander is the correct approach, anything less and all credibility is lost. This needs to be a fair fight with both sides being honest and forthright. After all, there is a ton of money and living standards at stake. Personal vendettas have no place in this whatsoever. There is enough dirty politics and slander on a national level. Lets see if people can rise above that here on the local level.

Skippy

10-05-2007, 08:02 AM

Does anyone know whether the WCA and TWA had independent counsel representing them in negotiations with TCID and in the drafting of the MOU?

Storm

10-05-2007, 08:44 AM

At the meeting on Tuesday, WCA's attorney gave the MOU presentation. His name is Bret Strong. TWA and WCOA had the same attorney representing them. His name is James Stillwell. I'd have a hard time calling Mr. Stillwell "independent" since he used to be a TCID Board member, spoke in favor of the propositions at TCID's first public forum in August, and wears a "Vote Yes to 1, 2 and 3 to set The Woodlands Free" sticker.

triadmiss

10-05-2007, 09:51 AM

To the administrator and Wilson, why did you let Donnelly remove his defamatory statement about Page and comments in response to Candleman? What is your agenda?

It's apparent to me that this website is not a legitimate website and is in the business of politics by personal destruction.

Telling the truth when it isn't convenient is integrity. MDonn doesn't have a clue. Nor does this website.

Wilson

10-05-2007, 09:53 AM

Whatever. Admin did not remove, delete, or edit anything.

mdonn76405

10-05-2007, 10:04 AM

I deleted them because it was 2 kids in the school yard trading barbs. Candleman you brought the teenager out in me with your childish attitude. Nothing else was removed. Talk about integrity Triad. You said you weren't going to be on here anymore. I guess you can't keep your word any better than TCID.
My correction on Mr. Page was emailed out to all involved and it was changed on here. Candleman was giving me H for correcting my error. It sounds like it is Triad and Candleman who are desperate to malign those who correct mistakes. I never claimed to be perfect. I've made mistakes in my life and I'm sure I'll make more. I always tell the truth and if I make a mistake, I'm always man enough to admit it and correct it.
With what I found about Page, he is probably wishing I hadn't found him.
You two need to grow up.

mdonn76405

10-05-2007, 10:06 AM

One More. I'm not afraid to put my name on here. How about you Triad, why are you hiding. Dishonest people always hide. Stand up and be counted or crawl back in your hole like the, I won't stoop to your level.

Wilson

10-05-2007, 10:14 AM

Hey now, I'm "hiding" as well :p. I like my privacy :).

mdonn76405

10-05-2007, 10:31 AM

I'm done with blogosphere. Good luck, MDonn. ...

I'm done with blogosphere. Good luck, MDonn. May we be far more generous in our scrutiny of you, should you ever go under the microscope, than you have been with people who have helped you in the...

You went back on your word Triad.

Here is the DEFAMATORY statement that I removed.

I said that I couldn't find Mike Page on My Texas Bar, and I couldn't find Mike page.

I found Michael G. Page when I went back.
There was no Mike Page listed who worked for TCID or General Growth Properties, but Candleman knew exactly which Page it was.
I had already corrected it before he checked the Bar site, and then he asked why I corrected it.
What a DUMB question. Why did I correct it, because it was wrong.
I told him I correct my mistakes, and he just couldn't figure that out. I removed it because IT WAS INCORRECT. Are you so ignorant you can't figure that out. You correct your mistakes. Well maybe you two don't, but I do.

triadmiss

10-05-2007, 10:33 AM

There you go again. Innuendo, innuendo, innuendo - suggesting you know something "negative" about Page. You and the other children, arrested in your developments, need to stop trying to hang with the adults in the community. They're accountable for their actions, you guys aren't. You're just pretending to be adults. And, I do doubt your honesty and integrity - alot. I think Candleman hit the nail on the head. His comments were responsible, thoughtful, adult-like. Not yours.

triadmiss

10-05-2007, 10:37 AM

Does that mean that YOU removed the comments, Wilson?

mdonn76405

10-05-2007, 10:37 AM

Were done, take your desperation somewhere else. I only talk to adults, keep your word go blog somewhere else because this is a BOARD not a blog. Sorry I had to correct your mistake.

Wilson

10-05-2007, 10:40 AM

MDonnelly has already said HE removed the posts HIMSELF. "Wilson" nor any of the other registered users have the ability to move, delete, or edit any posts other than their own.

triadmiss

10-05-2007, 10:42 AM

Maybe I will, maybe I won't. I'm having too much fun watching you "spin". Hey, are you on the Talk of The Woodlands Board too?

Wilson

10-05-2007, 10:43 AM

"Hey, are you on the Talk of The Woodlands Board too?"

You're really starting to irritate me...

triadmiss

10-05-2007, 10:43 AM

Whatever. . .

mdonn76405

10-05-2007, 10:44 AM

Wilson, just so you know, I got the pathologist report today. I'm cancer free,

schnauzermom

10-05-2007, 10:54 AM

[QUOTE=triadmiss;6195

It's apparent to me that this website is not a legitimate website and is in the business of politics by personal destruction.

.[/QUOTE]

I am only speaking for MYSELF here but this website is NOT a political website! It is a place for people to discuss whatever is happening in their lives, SOME of us happen to live in The Woodlands but MANY do not. If you check out other threads you will see that much of the discussions have NOTHING to do with politics!

triadmiss, please check out other areas and get to know some of us, we want to be informed about our community but we also like to have a little fun too!:)

mdonn76405

10-05-2007, 10:59 AM

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/nb/woodlands/news/5191020.html

The WoodlandskNOw Political Action Committee includes the outspoken critics of the plan from The Woodlands Community Association homeowners board, including Cheryl Crandall Tangen, Deborah Sargeant and Karen Booren, as well as former WCA members Pat Goodpastor and members of the Grogan's Mill Village Association. They are joining forces with several residents and Community Activists of The Woodlands in opposing the plan.

This is paramount to me right know, but I always visit the other forums to talk to others about my life and theirs.

dixielou

10-05-2007, 11:05 AM

triadmiss

10-05-2007, 11:09 AM

Well, Schauzermom, maybe it's time for some of you legitimate bloggers to form a legitimate blog. These guys, including Wilson, have an agenda loud and clear. To hurt people. I'm tired of the innuendo, paranoia, and destructive politics. And, Wilson, the comment about being on the board was directed to MDonn because he used to be listed as a director on Joe Merrill's blog. Your credibility is shot Wilson because you allow MDonn to place defamatory statements on blog without any admonishment. Like Candleman said, Mdonn has no excuse for making such a careless mistake about Page's Texas Bar membership. Donn's personal agenda blinds him to the truth. He doesn't want the truth. He is so quick to grab hold of anything negative about his numerous targets. He doesn't have the integrity to be balanced in the discussion and, perhaps, in his copious 24-hour-a-day research, find and report something positive about these targets of his.

mdonn76405

10-05-2007, 11:13 AM

Triad needs to grow up? Are you kidding? You are the one who emblazoned in large red fonts on your original post that you could not find Mike Page on State Bar of Texas website and, rather than simply stating that you made a mistake, you removed it as well as at least one other of your responsive posts to Candleman as though it never happened. Thanks to Candleman, you were called on it. You, mdonn, are the one who started acting like a 12-year-old. “So sue me???” Are you joking? Where is your integrity? I too was able to go on the State Bar of Texas website and find Mr. Page’s information. Are you telling me that you, who prides himself on being so accurate and truthful, are now saying that you simply made a mistake? Seems more like another of your attempts to besmirch our local officials with innuendo.

And how interesting that every time you get cornered, you bring up your health.

And my prediction is you will bring up that you are a veteran, again.
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Date: 10/4/2007 10:25:52 P.M. Central Daylight Time

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I wish I hadn't found him. In my opinion he is as deep in it as he can get.

Send me your email, I'll make sure you get my corrections.

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mdonn76405

10-05-2007, 11:26 AM

Triad needs to grow up? Are you kidding? You are the one who emblazoned in large red fonts on your original post that you could not find Mike Page on State Bar of Texas website and, rather than simply stating that you made a mistake, you removed it as well as at least one other of your responsive posts to Candleman as though it never happened. Thanks to Candleman, you were called on it. You, mdonn, are the one who started acting like a 12-year-old. “So sue me???” Are you joking? Where is your integrity? I too was able to go on the State Bar of Texas website and find Mr. Page’s information. Are you telling me that you, who prides himself on being so accurate and truthful, are now saying that you simply made a mistake? Seems more like another of your attempts to besmirch our local officials with innuendo.

And how interesting that every time you get cornered, you bring up your health.

And my prediction is you will bring up that you are a veteran, again.

These brave men will bring it up for me.

Wednesday, July 25, 2007
A list of people who earned Hometown Hero status
Montgomery County soldiers who have been killed in action during Iraq war:

U.S. Army Sgt. Reyes Ramirez, 23, of Willis

6/17/2006U.S. Marine Lance Cpl. Robert Martinez, 20, of Splendora

12/01/2005U.S. Army Master Sgt. James C. Coons, 35, of Conroe

7/4/2003U.S. Army Specialist Hoby F. Bradfield, Jr., 22, of The Woodlands

7/9/2005U.S. Marine Cpl. John R. Stalvey, 22, of Conroe

10/3/2005U.S. Army Pfc. Cory C. Kosters, 19, of The Woodlands

3/8/2007U.S. Army Sgt. Ryan Patrick Green, 24, Conroe 3/18/2007

U.S. Army Pfc. Zachary Ryan Endsley, 21, Oak Ridge North 7/23/2007

dixielou

10-05-2007, 11:26 AM

Or, you could repost your responses on this site.

mdonn76405

10-05-2007, 11:32 AM

I apologize, I looked on my Texas Bar and missed it and I corrected it.
But seriously I think he and the others owe the residents for S__________ us without a kiss.

Posted last night..

In other words you guys are just mad because you can't stand on facts and your loosing ground.

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/...s/5191020.html

The WoodlandskNOw Political Action Committee includes the outspoken critics of the plan from The Woodlands Community Association homeowners board, including Cheryl Crandall Tangen, Deborah Sargeant and Karen Booren, as well as former WCA members Pat Goodpastor and members of the Grogan's Mill Village Association. They are joining forces with several residents and Community Activists of The Woodlands in opposing the plan.

Even Board members are turning against you. So sorry!

mdonn76405

10-05-2007, 11:33 AM

Scroll down and read.

You can read can't you?

dixielou

10-05-2007, 11:34 AM

Wow, that is shameful of you to promote yourself by invoking the names of these brave young men. They are heroes, mdonn. The problem is your using them in a self-serving way to lend credibility to yourself. There is more to character than that, pal!!!

Wilson

10-05-2007, 11:35 AM

The thread is getting a little hard to follow, especially when people don't quote what they are referring to. I thought dixielou was polite and coherent with their request. No reason to be snarky about it!

mdonn76405

10-05-2007, 11:42 AM

Now you can just kiss my A__. I have my wounds from 2 wars and combat.
I'm proud to be a veteran. I'm home recuperating from injuries sustained in Iraq. How about showing us your BIO. It is your turn to apologize for maligning Vets.

It is funny you two just showed up on this sight and are so brave. Put your name on here. Put up or shut up.
You should be so proud of your service to this country. Oh you don't have any. Can I loan you some medals? I'm sure the dead heroes would be so proud of you. Maybe you can sacrifice one of your children. Na, your not that patriotic. Or you can tell us that you knew someone who served in the military. Or your great uncle was in WW11.

mdonn76405

10-05-2007, 11:43 AM

I'm done. You aren't worth the time.

FamilyGal

10-05-2007, 11:45 AM

Well, Schauzermom, maybe it's time for some of you legitimate bloggers to form a legitimate blog. These guys, including Wilson, have an agenda loud and clear. To hurt people.

First off, it is a message board and not a blog.

Secondly, where in the world do you see Wilson having an agenda? Candleman, free speech is EXACTLY what you wanted out of the other board and were upset when people removed posts and banned people from it. Why would you criticize someone for posting something on here? You are the last person I would expect to want someone's posts removed or edited or whatever.

It doesn't matter if you agree or anyone else. MDonn states what he believes. It is his responsibility if it ever comes back inaccurate. No one else should be held accountable for what he says. And he should be allowed to say what he wants, as should you or anyone else. If people don't agree with it, so be it. But, that doesn't mean he should have to remove it or have it edited. You, of all posters, should understand that.

mdonn76405

10-05-2007, 11:49 AM

ttp://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/...s/5191020.html

The WoodlandskNOw Political Action Committee includes the outspoken critics of the plan from The Woodlands Community Association homeowners board, including Cheryl Crandall Tangen, Deborah Sargeant and Karen Booren, as well as former WCA members Pat Goodpastor and members of the Grogan's Mill Village Association. They are joining forces with several residents and Community Activists of The Woodlands in opposing the plan

dixielou

10-05-2007, 12:00 PM

mdonn76405

10-05-2007, 12:12 PM

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These brave men will bring it up for me.

Wednesday, July 25, 2007
A list of people who earned Hometown Hero status
Montgomery County soldiers who have been killed in action during Iraq war:

U.S. Army Sgt. Reyes Ramirez, 23, of Willis

6/17/2006U.S. Marine Lance Cpl. Robert Martinez, 20, of Splendora

12/01/2005U.S. Army Master Sgt. James C. Coons, 35, of Conroe

7/4/2003U.S. Army Specialist Hoby F. Bradfield, Jr., 22, of The Woodlands

7/9/2005U.S. Marine Cpl. John R. Stalvey, 22, of Conroe

10/3/2005U.S. Army Pfc. Cory C. Kosters, 19, of The Woodlands

3/8/2007U.S. Army Sgt. Ryan Patrick Green, 24, Conroe 3/18/2007

U.S. Army Pfc. Zachary Ryan Endsley, 21, Oak Ridge North 7/23/2007

I hate to feed your hate for veterans, but these are some of the board members that you two support, Why don't you tell them to take it off their Bio's so that they are not being self serving. I'll bet they will tell you to kiss their A__!
I didn't feel like I needed to do any more, because you are only trying to malign me personally. It ain't working.

Mr. Cooke was raised in Corpus Christi and Ingleside, Texas. He has his BA degree (with honors) from The University of Texas at Austin and is a 1973 graduate (with honors) of The University of Texas School of Law. He served in the United States Army during 1970 and 1971.
Mr. Bredehoft is an Eagle Scout and served in the United States Marine Corps

Mr. Sanders served in the U.S. Army from 1964 to 1967

triadmiss

10-05-2007, 12:14 PM

mdonn76405

10-05-2007, 12:15 PM

The only vet I maligned was you!!! You hide behind being a veteran as if you can do or say no wrong. I'm sorry, but I am sick of it! I am a proud red, white and blue American with relatives who have fought in all U.S. wars. They would be appalled at the way you invoke your veteran status whenever you think it serves you. Your rightous indignation is pathetic. You know I didn't malign veterans. I hold you accountable for using their true hero status to promote yourself. You are in the wrong!

I hate to feed your hate for veterans, but these are some of the board members that you two support, Why don't you tell them to take it off their Bio's so that they are not being self serving. I'll bet they will tell you to kiss their A__!
I didn't feel like I needed to do any more, because you are only trying to malign me personally. It ain't working.

Mr. Cooke was raised in Corpus Christi and Ingleside, Texas. He has his BA degree (with honors) from The University of Texas at Austin and is a 1973 graduate (with honors) of The University of Texas School of Law. He served in the United States Army during 1970 and 1971.

Mr. Bredehoft is an Eagle Scout and served in the United States Marine Corps

Mr. Sanders served in the U.S. Army from 1964 to 1967

mdonn76405

10-05-2007, 12:20 PM

Family Gal. Candleman was complaining because MDonn edited MDonn's posts by removing them and some subsequent messages. He wasn't complaining that a post wasn't being removed. And, Family Gal, you're right. MDonn will some day be held accountable. How amazing that you would throw your support behind someone who spews almost nothing but venom. Don't get on his list ma'am. Even his hero, Tangen, came close to being on his list at one time judging by a string of comments on MDonn's blog. Tangen had sent him an email or something with quoted material. A preamble to the quoted material said something to the effect that it (some incorrect information) should never have gotten out. MDonn posted her email on his blog, board, whatever. Then he received an anonymous comment to the effect of "What's wrong with you . . . for posting Tangen's email, it wasn't supposed to get out?" In response to that anonymous comment, MDonn posted a comment that resembled the following: "What's wrong with you MS. Tangen? . . ." Essentially, he had devined that the anonymous comment came from Tangen. Shortly thereafter, the comment was gone. He had removed it. Donnelly acts like a bully.

Thursday, August 9, 2007
Anonymous has left a comment.
Anonymous has left a new comment on your post "Thanks Ms. Tangen":
"Oh, Gosh. I wish this hadn’t been broadcast out."
So you post it in your blog? What is wrong with you?
Posted by Anonymous to The Woodlands TX at August 9, 2007 5:42:00 PM CST

I wonder if a board member left this comment. The information about the "BILL" that Ms. Tangen wrote is exactly the information all the board members should know and should be putting out to the public.
I published this information because I care about The Woodlands and its residents. The person who made this comment doesn't want you to know the facts.
Posted by Michael Donnelly at 7:32 PM 1 comments

Thanks Ms. Tangen
It is a breath of fresh air to see that we have a few board members who go the extra mile to protect the residents.

Posted by Michael Donnelly at 3:00 PM 1 comments

Bill clarified
MIKE –

Oh, Gosh. I wish this hadn’t been broadcast out.

PLEASE GET THE MESSAGE OUT TO CORRECT THIS MISUNDERSTANDING!!!! I MENTIONED THAT TO THE WCA BOARD MEMBERS OF THE FINANCE COMMITTEE LAST NIGHT THAT I WAS ABLE TO CATCH, AFTER I REVIEWED THE BILL (AGAIN).

I WAS CORRECT ABOUT THE CURRENT BILL NOT HAVING DATES IN IT, UNLIKE THE ORIGINALLY INTRODUCED VERSION. BUT, IF YOU REVIEW THE SECTION OF THE BILL THAT WAS ULTIMATELY PASSED AND SIGNED BY THE GOVERNOR, IT DOES SAY THAT IF THE “INITIAL” CONFIRMING ELECTION DOESN’T PASS, THEN THE PROVISIONS RELATING TO UNILATERAL ANNEXATION RIGHTS OF THE DISTRICT (SUBJECT TO VOTER APPROVAL), HAVE NO FORCE AND EFFECT and, essentially, the legislature WOULD have to enact another bill permitting TCID expansion and the change in board composition. You have to wade through this several times – but it’s in Section 1.05 of the Bill, which inserts a new Sec. 7.a – (f) of the TCID enabling legislation. There it says that:

“If either the proposition submitted to confirm the initial addition of territory or the proposition submitted under Section 9(g) of this Act [which is the new board composition stuff] fails to pass by a majority vote, this section expires on the date the results of the election are canvassed.”

So, if the TCID Board does, in fact, adopt a resolution expanding its boundaries in time for the November election and if majority of the voters in the November election vote against expansion, then additional legislative action WOULD be required to enable the TCID board to expand boundaries (except under the current limited process available under the existing TCID enabling legislation).

If the TCID Board decides NOT to adopt a resolution initially expanding its boundaries until later, however, they could effectively delay this until whenever they decide to do so, say 2012, 2014, etc. No additional legislation would be required to authorize that delay and the up/down vote could occur at the next regularly scheduled uniform election after the TCID Board passes its initial annexation resolution. From what I’ve heard, given that the TCID public hearing is scheduled for August 29 on this issue, it seems pretty likely that the TCID Board will vote to expand the boundaries in time (barely) for the November elections this year.

If the INITIAL confirmation election passes, then, in SUBSEQUENT annexations that the district may choose to make, the voters’ rejection of those subsequent annexation efforts would not require the legislature to act in order for TCID to make later annexations (again subject to voter approval).

While I certainly agree that if the voters decide NOT to vote in favor of the TCID expansion in November, that vote does NOT mean The Woodlands is forever barred from incorporating as a city (or that future legislation would be required to expand TCID in order for The Woodlands community to become a city), I believe that it is imperative that my comments at the meeting be corrected and apologize for any confusion they may have caused.

Mike – if you want to simply forward this to your list, please do so. Thanks.C
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mdonn76405

10-05-2007, 12:22 PM

My momma used to say, "look who's calling the kettle black".

dixielou

10-05-2007, 12:22 PM

mdonn76405

10-05-2007, 12:28 PM

I thought you were done with me, mdonn. Triad is so right about you. You are a bully! Do you honestly believe that any of the other posters on this forum think I am a veteran hater? Really, do you honestly believe that? Just because you say it does not make it true, bully boy.

Wilson said it best.

“We're all adults. Stand by your words, prove your point.”

How old are you. Does your momma know your skipping school?

dixielou said;

“Just because you say it does not make it true, bully boy.”

Sally Hardesty

10-05-2007, 12:53 PM

So......Who else is glad that it's FRIDAY!!!!! :D I gotta great joke I recieved on my phone today: How do you get down from an elephant?
You don't! You get it from a goose! :p

mdonn76405

10-05-2007, 12:59 PM

Candleman

10-05-2007, 01:03 PM

First off, it is a message board and not a blog.

Secondly, where in the world do you see Wilson having an agenda? Candleman, free speech is EXACTLY what you wanted out of the other board and were upset when people removed posts and banned people from it. Why would you criticize someone for posting something on here? You are the last person I would expect to want someone's posts removed or edited or whatever.
It doesn't matter if you agree or anyone else. MDonn states what he believes. It is his responsibility if it ever comes back inaccurate. No one else should be held accountable for what he says. And he should be allowed to say what he wants, as should you or anyone else. If people don't agree with it, so be it. But, that doesn't mean he should have to remove it or have it edited. You, of all posters, should understand that.

Re read I never asked for anything to be removed. I asked why it was removed.

FamilyGal

10-05-2007, 01:15 PM

How amazing that you would throw your support behind someone who spews almost nothing but venom.

I am not "supporting" anyone. I have spoken to several of these people, including Candleman, off the boards and know that sometimes what we post is not indicative of the kind of person they are. Candleman can be quite an ass on the boards sometimes, yet is a very sweet person other times. I try not to hold his board persona against him. :p

I am going to assume you are a nice person too. :)

I really couldn't care less about The Woodlands politics. I don't live there. I just hate seeing the bashing that goes on sometimes on these boards (up until now, not this one, but it happens on ALL boards). Some people really don't try to see the other's POV and therefore get their feathers in a ruffle and start making accusations and name calling. That only makes the matters worse and is an immature way of dealing with it.

I DO believe someone can post what they want and not have to remove it due to someone not agreeing, someone getting their feelings hurt or someone flat out lying. The POSTER should be held responsible for that and ONLY the poster. Not the board, which I think was the most ridiculous post made on this thread.

If I get on MDonn's bad side, it won't be the first bad side I am on. Or the last. Believe me, been there done that and it's "okay". It sucks, but life goes on even when someone isn't nice to you. Online or off.

FamilyGal

10-05-2007, 01:17 PM

Do you honestly believe that any of the other posters on this forum think I am a veteran hater?

I don't think anyone here believes ANYONE on this board is a veteran hater, but I will only speak for myself. "I" don't believe anyone on here is a veteran hater and I also don't think being a veteran is relevant to the thread.

FamilyGal

10-05-2007, 01:19 PM

Re read I never asked for anything to be removed. I asked why it was removed.

I'm not going to re-read, but will trust that is the case. I just read editing, removing posts, etc... and thought of how strongly you feel about that. Sorry for my mistaking that it was you saying that.

mdonn76405

10-05-2007, 01:28 PM

I am not "supporting" anyone. I have spoken to several of these people, including Candleman, off the boards and know that sometimes what we post is not indicative of the kind of person they are. Candleman can be quite an ass on the boards sometimes, yet is a very sweet person other times. I try not to hold his board persona against him. :p

I am going to assume you are a nice person too. :)

I really couldn't care less about The Woodlands politics. I don't live there. I just hate seeing the bashing that goes on sometimes on these boards (up until now, not this one, but it happens on ALL boards). Some people really don't try to see the other's POV and therefore get their feathers in a ruffle and start making accusations and name calling. That only makes the matters worse and is an immature way of dealing with it.

I DO believe someone can post what they want and not have to remove it due to someone not agreeing, someone getting their feelings hurt or someone flat out lying. The POSTER should be held responsible for that and ONLY the poster. Not the board, which I think was the most ridiculous post made on this thread.

If I get on MDonn's bad side, it won't be the first bad side I am on. Or the last. Believe me, been there done that and it's "okay". It sucks, but life goes on even when someone isn't nice to you. Online or off.

I don't think it could have been said any better. Thanks you hit the facts just as they should be. definitely the voice of reason.
As far as I'm concerned the bickering is done on my part, and will no longer participate in any more. I will continue to post but will not engage in a fight with anyone. Another words, you will be ignored.

Candleman

10-05-2007, 01:32 PM

I'm not going to re-read, but will trust that is the case. I just read editing, removing posts, etc... and thought of how strongly you feel about that. Sorry for my mistaking that it was you saying that.
No Problem FG, I got a chuckle out of you thinking I would want a post removed LOL.:)

triadmiss

10-05-2007, 01:59 PM

mdonn76405

10-05-2007, 02:03 PM

D R T

K D R T

Wouldn't want to forget.

A R

mdonn76405

10-05-2007, 02:30 PM

Sorry MDonn. Some of us saw your "original" comment guessing/accusing "Tangen" of sending the anonymous comment. You then removed it and replaced it with that dribble about some other board member. Your accusatory comment about Tangen just evaporated into thin air. Perhaps you have conveniently forgotten it, but some of us saw it and remember it quite well. The pot calling the kettle black? And you claim to be honest? You're just another Gary Hart. Only not as good. You are a nuisance, sir. And, by the way, I believe Eissler is also a vet. Funny enough, unlike your unending references to your military service, I don't remember Eissler and Cooke mentioning their military service in their comments. And, Wilson, you ought to go back and check out comments of MDonn to apologize and have him remove any defamatory statements. He has time. Blogging is about all he seems to do.

House Membership

Representative Rob Eissler

http://www.house.state.tx.us/members/dist15/bio/eissler.htm

Biographical Information

Rob Eissler is the President of Eissler and Associates, an executive recruiting firm based in his hometown of twenty-five years, The Woodlands, Texas. He received a B.A. in Architecture from Princeton University, and then served his country as a carrier-based attack pilot on the USS John F. Kennedy in the United States Navy.Representative Eissler has spent twenty two years dedicated to the public education system of Texas, 18 of which were on the Conroe Independent School District Board of Trustees, including two terms as President.
In 1999, he was named one of 25 "Original Hometown Heroes" for The Woodlands by The Woodlands Villager/Courier newspapers and The Woodlands Operating Company, L.P. The Chamber of Commerce named him "Citizen of the Year" in 1999, where he served as the Chairman of the Board in 1988. Mr. Eissler has also served as the President of the Woodlands Rotary Club and as a board member of the South Montgomery Y.M.C.A. He coached youth sports for twenty years and is well known as one of the voices of High School Football on the local radio broadcast of area games.
Mr. Eissler was elected to represent District 15 as State Representative in November of 2002. In his third session, he was recently appointed to serve as Chairman of the Public Education Committee. He also serves on the Human Services Committee. Since serving in the legislature Representative Eissler has been named Legislator of the Year by the Texas Council of Special Education Administrators, received The Texas Foreign Language Association's Distinguished Public Service Award, The Texas Art Education Association's Governmental Award for Meritorious Service in the Arts, The Texas Music Educators Association Distinguished Service Award and the Fighter for Free Enterprise Award by the Texas Association of Business twice. In addition, the Governor appointed him to the State Regional Education Board for both the 78th and 79th Legislative Sessions. In May, 2005 Representative Eissler was named one of the Top Texas Legislators of the 79th Legislative Session by Capitol Inside. He was presented with the Star Award by Texans Standing Tall in recognition of his efforts during the 79th Legislature to reduce and prevent the consequences of underage alcohol use and binge drinking. In February of 2006, Representative Eissler was named a Champion of Free Enterprise Award by the Texas Association of Business and received the STAR award from the Texas Classroom Teachers Association. He was recently listed as Honorable Mention in Texas Monthly magazine's Ten Best Legislators issue. Rob and his wife Linda have three adult children and are members of The Woodlands United Methodist Church.
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Boards of Directors

From their Bio’s

Mr. Cooke was raised in Corpus Christi and Ingleside, Texas. He has his BA degree (with honors) from The University of Texas at Austin and is a 1973 graduate (with honors) of The University of Texas School of Law. He served in the United States Army during 1970 and 1971.
Mr. Bredehoft is an Eagle Scout and served in the United States Marine Corps

Mr. Sanders served in the U.S. Army from 1964 to 1967

Candleman

10-05-2007, 03:21 PM

Your not being accurate mdonn.
From mdonn
I had already corrected it before he checked the Bar site, and then he asked why I corrected it.

mdonn76405

10-05-2007, 03:28 PM

:DSo......Who else is glad that it's FRIDAY!!!!! :D I gotta great joke I recieved on my phone today: How do you get down from an elephant?
You don't! You get it from a goose! :p

ME

mdonn76405

10-05-2007, 03:30 PM

I Love This Poem/Always Have

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Methinks thou doth protest too much

Wretched Woman sip thy cup O guile
savour it long remember it's smile
for soon cometh bitterest dregs
no cup bearer to aide thy begs

Thy daughter hast turned her face from thee
from malicious lies spurned endlessley
she hath sought solace fair
far from self righteous glare

Wretched woman glazed neath hate
tolling bells shalt reveal they fate
dost thy tree bear sweetest fruits
or hath it withered to rotted roots?

Soon cometh thy days of reckoning
autumn years bow to beckoning
wintry winds most fearsome gusts
soon to pale thy haughty lusts

Wretched woman rememberest when
blessed thou was with she back then
yet thy hardened heart sought no joy
sawest her more a means of ploy

Perfection be the illusionists art
hath been that way from the start
so if thou cryest foul play and such
Methinks thou doth protest.... too much!

Ch'erie de Perrott
Revised Copyright 2006

mdonn76405

10-05-2007, 04:23 PM

:(http://www.talkofthewoodlands.com/vbulletin_forums/showthread.php?t=1054

Vote no
I plan to vote no in the November election for Town Center expansion. The reason for the no vote is simple - the Town Center expansion only promises an increase in property taxes and sales taxes with absolutely no guarantee of a future city.
Glenn H. Warner
The Woodlands

tp://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/...s/5191020.html

The WoodlandskNOw Political Action Committee includes the outspoken critics of the plan from The Woodlands Community Association homeowners board, including Cheryl Crandall Tangen, Deborah Sargeant and Karen Booren, as well as former WCA members Pat Goodpastor and members of the Grogan's Mill Village Association. They are joining forces with several residents and Community Activists of The Woodlands in opposing the plan.

mdonn76405

10-05-2007, 08:05 PM

woodlandskNOw@gmail.com

Volunteer

Email WoodlandskNOw

WoodlandskNOw Home Page

If you'd like to help the cause with a little "sweat equity" we could use your time and talents.

First - forward news of this website to ALL of your friends and neighbors

Second - get in touch with us, by emailing us at woodlandskNOw@gmail.com and tell us of your interest. Please provide day/night phone no., best time to call, or, if email's the best method, indicate that as well.

We need people to hand out flyers at events and door to door.
Plant yard signs (when we finally have them ready).
Help out with a phone bank.
Or, if you're into entertaining, host a presentation party and we'll send some party-loving, articulate (well one outta 2 ain't bad) member of our group to give our side of the story. We work for food...and libations. But if you won't be serving either, "the cause" will do us just fine.

This really is a grass roots effort, so if you have other ideas and want to help, let us know.

THANKS!

Storm

10-05-2007, 11:53 PM

mdonn76405

10-05-2007, 11:59 PM

You have evidently done some research.

Wilson

10-06-2007, 12:01 AM

I can't find where you were given a proper welcome to our little community here? I apologize that you're already 16 posts in before acknowledging this, but welcome to TOTW! I've enjoyed reading your well-written & thought-out posts.

mdonn76405

10-06-2007, 12:03 AM

Storm is the voice of reason, I'm just a brute soldier and cop. I never said I was swab and debonair.

Storm

10-06-2007, 12:07 AM

Thank you, Wilson!

mdonn76405

10-06-2007, 12:14 AM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_correctness

Political correctness
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

This not me, I guess that is why I'm good at what I do.

mdonn76405

10-06-2007, 11:09 AM

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/nb/woodlands/news/5191020.html

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Duncan3 wrote:
"They are simply trying to mislead the voters and cloud the issues," said Kenny Speight, co-chairman of The Woodlands V.O.I.C.E., which recently opened a storefront in Market Street."

"While Speight said he welcomes opposition in the November election, he is concerned about the accuracy of statements by The WoodlandskNOw group."

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Mr. Speight or any member of Woodlands VOICE:

Please explain to me which of The WoodlandskNOw statments is misleading. According to the research I've done it appears they are factual and very important considerations for this election. In fact, when someone (Cheryl Tangen?) voiced these concerns at TCID's public forum, TCID's attorney, Mr. Page, did not dispute them and acknowledged they needed to be addessed.

And could you please explain how your slogan at Woodlands VOICE (Vote Yes for Propositions 1, 2, and 3 to Set The Woodlands Free)is accurate and not misleading? You have signs and stickers imploring people to vote for all 3 propositions in order to ensure their "freedom", yet proposition 3 (the property tax) has absolutely NOTHING to do with the annexation issue.

Your followers are telling the public that the property tax is needed in addition to the higher sales taxes to fund the new TCID, but fail to mention that the homeowners associations could still provide that funding. If someone happens to mention the associations, they claim that the property tax will be "much lower" than the assessment fees. This is simply not true and I'll be glad to provide your PAC with the financial information that proves it is not true. For MOST residents and ALL businesses, the assessment rate would be lower than the property tax rate after applying sales tax proceeds, even taking into account the tax deductibility.

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Skippy

10-06-2007, 11:33 AM

Storm,
Thank you for the tax analysis. I think that is very important. I didn't think much of the information in The Woodlands Decides votor guide, but I guess I shouldn't be surprised. What I am discovering is that a "YES" vote on 1, 2 and 3, for me means: Acquiescing to taxation without representation, higher taxes and more developer control.

Since the inception of The Woodlands, we have worked toward the goal of resident control and away from developer control. That's how it was set up. If this passes it will be a step backwards. After 25 years here, I know who comprises the tight inner circle. I am not comfortable with those people in control of residential matters. Some may not like to hear what they call "negative" comments about certain individuals, but people need to know the truth.

There are relationships the current TCID board members have that people need to know and understand. These people are on the TCID board (whether elected or appointed) to represent the TCID (aka the developer). I saw Ms. Tangen's comment in the paper regarding her concern about turning over assets belonging to the WCA (residents) to a non-elected board. The residents appreciate that, Ms. Tangen.

There was no reason to rush into this initiative. There was no reason to throw in the ad valorem tax (which I understand early on was not even going to be considered until the TCID board was a fully elected board in 2010). Common sense demands that we question what is behind this push.

There is also the question of covenant enforcement. Is that a function a special use district can take over from the Associations? I think it's nice the attoneys are going to be looking into that... If it turns out to be a problem, I'm sure Mr. Williams can introduce legislation to "fix" it.

I will be voting NO to 1, 2 and 3.

mdonn76405

10-06-2007, 12:24 PM

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/nb/woodlands/news/5191020.html

While Speight said he welcomes opposition in the November election, he is concerned about the accuracy of statements by The WoodlandskNOw group. Speight said the propositions do not prohibit future incorporation, but leaves it open as one option for residents to consider after 2014.

Thursday, October 4, 2007
Attorney TCID admits Incorporation not the Plan
Villager Article/No Incorporation
http://www.hcnonline.com/site/news.c... 532533&rfi=6

Mike Page, general counsel for the TCID, said the directive of the Governance Steering Committee was to "create an opportunity for self governance" but didn't specify incorporation was that solution.
Page is an attorney who works for the Developer. Check his bio.
Michael Page, Attorney for The Woodlands Operating Company, L.P., ...

"We know these two propositions do not make us an incorporated city," said Barry Millenson, co-chairman of The Woodlands V.O.I.C.E. "Passage of these propositions ensures that Houston or Conroe will never be able to annex The Woodlands. In 2014, people will have the option to incorporate."

The Woodlands Township has no such provision. State Sen. Tommy Williams, R-The Woodlands, said he hopes to introduce legislation in the 2009 session to correct that issue and other issues that arise."Any time you work on complex legislation, there is follow-up legislation for additional items," Williams said. "We want businesses to get what they were promised."

In other words, after you give TCID control. Williams and Eissler can amend the bills.BYE BYE INCORPORATION.

mdonn76405

10-07-2007, 11:57 AM

This country for so long has lost interest in what is going on.
My mother always said that there is a silver lining in every dark cloud. Though I hate the war and what it has cost all of us, it has brought people back into the reality that they must stayed engaged.

TXrose

10-07-2007, 12:02 PM

I teach 12&13 year olds, they behave better than this when we discussion politically opinions. And they behave better when they spot mistakes and have to fix their mistakes. The discussion here sounds worse than 12 years olds, it sure doesn't sound like adults.

mdonn76405

10-07-2007, 01:18 PM

It did regress into child like behavior for a while. I stuck my nose in the circle on the black board for an hour last night.

triadmiss

10-07-2007, 03:44 PM

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Telling the truth when it isn't convenient is integrity.

I couldn't agree with you more. Let's consider this:

1. VOICE PAC's slogan is "Vote YES to Propositions 1, 2, and 3 to Set The Woodlands Free". The TRUTH is proposition 3 doesn't have anything to do with the annexation issue. The property tax is not needed to fund the Regional Partnership Agreement with Houston or Conroe. That's what the additional sales tax is for, with money left over to reduce assessments. Everyone involved with the election knows the slogan is false and misleading, but keeps spreading the message anyway. Where's the integrity in that?

2. On The Woodlands Decides website, they have included the consequences of voting "yes" and the consequences of voting "no" to the property tax. Under the "YES" section is the following sentence: "The property tax will be less than what property owners currently pay in Association assessments due to the collection of local sales taxes". The TRUTH is the assessment rate will also be less than what property owners currently pay due to the collection of sales taxes. I guess it was too inconvenient to add that bit of factual information. Good grief! How dumb do they think we are?

3. The TRUTH is TWA's assessment rate would be about the same as the 30 cent rate being projected by TCID after sales tax collections are factored in. However, all TWA business owners and certain residential owners would actually pay more with an ad valorem tax than they would in assessments, even after accounting for IRS deductibility. This is because TWA covenants allow for a reduction in value for these properties.

4. The TRUTH is WCA's assessment rate would be two cents lower than the projected 30 cents property tax after the collection of sales tax. WCA residents will pay more than they currently are because they will have to start paying for expenses outside the WCA area which are currently paid by TWA and WCOA only. Examples: new Creekside Village parks, pools, pathways, fire station. All those fancy lightpoles and landscaping in the WCOA (Town Center) area.

5.The TRUTH is WCOA's assessment rate after sales tax collections would be 24 cents, which is considerably lower than the projected 30 cent property tax rate.

6. The TRUTH is all businesses in The Woodlands will pay higher taxes because in addition to paying on the value of land and the building, they will also be paying on taxable property such as vehicles, inventory, furniture, fixtures, equipment and other personal property. (Assessments are on land and improvments only.) Who do you think the businesses will pass on that additional cost to?

Yes, by all means, let's encourage our "leaders" to tell the TRUTH even when it's not convenient.

Please address to Tangen:

Ms. Tangen,

My gut feeling about you is that you're hoping for a seat on the TCID Board and you're using all of the identity-seekers to do it.

I guess I just don't see why you guys are in such a tizzy about this. I ask you the following questions: Why weren't you able to get TW incorporated when you had the chance? If incorporation is so easy, then why didn't you do it when you were the WCA President and President of the Fire Board (when you hired the fire chief, under fire by your boys, and negotiated his contract with the golfing perks), and when you were on the governance committee? According to all of your groupies, you're brilliant. Why, Ms. Tangen, didn't you figure out how to get us incorporated when you had the chance? Where were your brilliant ideas then? Why didn’t you build a consensus for your ideas to incorporate during the long governance process? Can you govern? Please explain step by step how you could bring the opportunity for incorporation about now and better than Williams? Assuming the current legislation were to expire, how would you go about bringing about incorporation? And, then, be sure and include not just the benefits of your proposal but also the detriments. I wonder if you and all the naysayers have a plan?

I respond to Storm's above-stated points with reference to integrity, but ask that Tangen respond:
1.We're talking about a slogan. The idea is that this legislation, regional agreement, election for the expansion of the special district, are necessary steps on the road to setting The Woodlands free from the threat of annexation by the surrounding municipalities.

2.Or, maybe, it was a given that the proponents assumed we could figure that out for ourselves. Was it too inconvenient for you to also insert above that these property taxes we would end up paying could be written off on our federal tax return, unlike the reduced association dues.

3.I guess my question would be, and I'm sorry if you have already discussed this someplace else and I missed it, can you be more specific about the projected increased costs for these TWA businesses and residences should the propositions pass. Would incorporation and city taxes possibly result in a similar increase?

4. Well, if we were to incorporate tomorrow, wouldn't all residents be assessed city taxes that presumably would pay for these types of expenses, too?

5.I] See response to #3 above? /I]

6.[I]But to be fair, shouldn't you also add that if we were to incorporate tomorrow or whenever, businesses would also be paying city taxes on these same items? Furthermore, tell the readers that once we do become a city, we will no longer receive certain county services, like road and bridge repairs, maintenance, and replacement, significant amounts of money. I]

You have said nothing positive about the proposals. The public voices supporting the props have been upfront that this legislation is not a panacea, but may be the best opportunity we will have of incorporating one day. Can’t the outstanding debts of TCID one day be transferred to the new municipality, via legislation, if necessary? Can’t you ever speak about solutions? I know that you guys are also worried about the timing of the Houston City Council votes. So, you don’t have to go into that. Thanks

mdonn76405

10-07-2007, 04:44 PM

Annexation issues
Tangen said The Woodlands has the ability to incorporate without the need for legislation by negotiating a deal directly with Houston to allow it. She believes the current moratorium on annexation, which expires in 2011, could be amended and, if not, incorporation could begin as early as 2011. She believes the 2014 is being driven by The Woodlands Development Co. so it will have no planning or zoning interference while it builds out the community.

This is right out of the State Municipal Code. I have a copy if anyone would like to read it, or you can order it.

triadmiss

10-07-2007, 05:00 PM

So why didn't the brilliant CT convince the numerous governance committee members of these possibilities? And if she couldn't convince them, how is she supposed to convince a bunch of Houston politicians and what will she give them in return? What will the deal be? What if your savior moves to Colorado tomorrow and gets a job representing a big bank. So, based upon CT's speculation, we're just going to go back to square one and keep our fingers crossed? I think CT just hates not getting her way and thinks, as do you, that she's smarter than the rest of us, including Williams. She's our very own local Hillary.

triadmiss

10-07-2007, 05:04 PM

We have our very own Hillary - how cool. A big-hearted liberal.

mdonn76405

10-07-2007, 05:09 PM

None of us want to be on TCID, especially me. My life has always been to enforce the law.

Legislation was never needed, Unless you don't want incorporation

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Annexation issues
Tangen said The Woodlands has the ability to incorporate without the need for legislation by negotiating a deal directly with Houston to allow it. She believes the current moratorium on annexation, which expires in 2011, could be amended and, if not, incorporation could begin as early as 2011. She believes the 2014 is being driven by The Woodlands Development Co. so it will have no planning or zoning interference while it builds out the community.

This is right out of the State Municipal Code. I have a copy if anyone would like to read it, or you can order it.

Who is funding the advertising campaign “Vote FOR Propositions 1, 2 & 3, to Set the Woodlands FREE?”

These ads, signs, mailings, TV and speaking are being funded by The Woodlands VOICE PAC. If you look at their web site you will find their sponsors include The Chamber of Commerce, the South Montgomery County Woodlands Economic Development Partnership, officers of The Woodlands Development Company, Woodforest Bank, and other business’s that are big on Market Street. Is this community interest or self interest?

mdonn76405

10-07-2007, 05:12 PM

Let me add, a leader will be selected by the residents of The Woodlands, not appointed by big business. Unlike TCID.

Let me add, I don't like Hillary.

Storm

10-07-2007, 06:21 PM

Everyone - you might have to read the post made by triadmiss on this thread at 3:44 pm today in order to understand this. It's too long to requote.

Sorry triadmiss, but I'm going to have to call you out on trying to mislead the residents again. Of course, Ms. Tangen is free to respond as well.
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I said: "VOICE PAC's slogan is "Vote YES to Propositions 1, 2, and 3 to Set The Woodlands Free". The TRUTH is proposition 3 doesn't have anything to do with the annexation issue. The property tax is not needed to fund the Regional Partnership Agreement with Houston or Conroe. That's what the additional sales tax is for, with money left over to reduce assessments. Everyone involved with the election knows the slogan is false and misleading, but keeps spreading the message anyway. Where's the integrity in that?"

You said: "We're talking about a slogan. The idea is that this legislation, regional agreement, election for the expansion of the special district, are necessary steps on the road to setting The Woodlands free from the threat of annexation by the surrounding municipalities."

My response: You can't excuse the inaccuracy of The Woodlands VOICE slogan by saying "We're talking about a slogan". The legislation, regional agreement, and expansion of TCID that you quote all have to do with propositions 1 and 2; prop 3 has nothing to do with those issues or "freedom" from annexation. If they'd change the slogan to Vote Yes for Propositions 1 and 2 to Set The Woodlands Free, I wouldn't have an issue.
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I said: "On The Woodlands Decides website, they have included the consequences of voting "yes" and the consequences of voting "no" to the property tax. Under the "YES" section is the following sentence: "The property tax will be less than what property owners currently pay in Association assessments due to the collection of local sales taxes". The TRUTH is the assessment rate will also be less than what property owners currently pay due to the collection of sales taxes".

You said: "Or, maybe, it was a given that the proponents assumed we could figure that out for ourselves. Was it too inconvenient for you to also insert above that these property taxes we would end up paying could be written off on our federal tax return, unlike the reduced association dues."

My response: Then the proponents could have also assumed that the voters could figure out for themselves that the property tax would be lower than the assessment rate after the collection of sales tax. Either include both sentences or don't include either. Pointing out that the property tax will be lower but failing to also point out that the assessment rate will be lower is misleading. And The Woodlands Decides has already included the statement regarding tax deductibility. It's a fact and the voters should be aware of it. I never said it should be removed. I was simply addressing the missing statement - the one you say could have been assumed.
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3 - 6. The rest of your questions concern a comparison between assessments and city taxes as if we were voting on incorporation in November. You call me to task for not addressing the effects of incorporation on the assessment process, but clearly that is not relevant to this discussion. Just as TCID and The Woodlands VOICE are doing, I am comparing the Associations' assessments to TCID's proposed property tax. Those are the two options on the table. And what I am saying is that even taking into account tax deductibility, many residents and all businesses will pay more with the property tax after factoring in sales tax collections.

Under incorporation, I do believe the tax rate would be higher than the assessment rate or TCID's property tax rate for the very reasons you state. Certain services paid by the county will become the responsibility of the city, but we likely wouldn't see a big break in our county tax to help pay for those services. However, the higher tax just might be worth the additional benefits one receives under incorporation. Don't know yet...
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You state: "Furthermore, tell the readers that once we do become a city, we will no longer receive certain county services, like road and bridge repairs, maintenance, and replacement, significant amounts of money."

My response: I find it very telling that you are already offering reasons as to why The Woodlands should not incorporate. Statements like these help convince me that this election may very well be an attempt to establish TCID as the permanent form of governance.
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You state: "You have said nothing positive about the proposals".

My response: On the contrary, I have acknowledged the tax deductibility of a property tax as well as the fact that props 1 and 2 remove the threat of annexation (assuming the unseen RPA still allows for that on a permanent basis). Those benefits must be weighed against higher sales taxes, higher property taxes for many, taxation without representation, and the real roadblocks that exist for future incorporation. Had our leaders made the choice to present to the citizens an unbiased and forthright analysis of the consequences, both positive and negative, of their vote, then perhaps all of this dialogue wouldn't be necessary.

TXrose

10-07-2007, 06:40 PM

Before reading any of these posts I had already decided how I was going to vote. NO. I can see the trouble these propositions will bring The Woodlands. We were even talking that if it passes after our last one is out of school we will probably move out of the Woodlands, we hate to do so but from what we have been able to gather by our own research is our taxes are going to go up to the point we won't want to be living here. I would rather see the Woodlands incorporated or annexed by Houston than see these propositions pass.

mdonn76405

10-07-2007, 06:44 PM

We are doing the same thing, and I have heard many more say they are moving.

TXrose

10-07-2007, 06:51 PM

I really don't want to move. I love my old little house. We've fixed it up to where we like it. Our kids will all be gone soon (possibly). Our house payment is so low and not many years left to pay on it, but if taxes rise like the look like they will with these propositions we will seriously consider it. Our assessments and taxes rise every year as it is. Neither of us work in the Woodlands so it's not a matter of being close to work

mdonn76405

10-07-2007, 07:18 PM

We lived in the Memorial area just outside Houston. Memorial City Mall came. It wasn't nice much longer after that.
I grew up in Houston when it was less than 300,000 people.

Candleman

10-07-2007, 07:42 PM

Storm,

You and several others have have been very articulate and fact finding in your comments, but you will never get triad to do anymore than tell you that your wrong. She isn't worth a response. If you ignore her, she'll go away. They are not interested in dialog, they are looking for a fight.
It is kind of like being in grade school. Somebody trying to get in a group who doesn't want them.

MDONN IMO this board was much more pleasant before you arrived. If the traffic on your blog is so large , use it for you name calling and innuendos. Like I have stated before you have posted some worthwhile information, but your childish antics, double and triple postings of the same information, attempts to degrade those that have a different opinion than you, your non stop self promotion, hiding behind your wifes law degree, having your wife step up to defend you when you were clearly out of bounds, lessens your credibility and weakens your arguments.

triadmiss

10-07-2007, 07:56 PM

Thanks Storm. You're almost as articulate as CT. Without meaning to probably, you make the bad guys not seem so bad. It sounds like all you're really concerned about is that some folks need to know that assessments, like property taxes, might be reduced as well. I haven't read all the information on the websites about this, but I wouldn't be surprised if that hasn't been stated someplace on one of those sites. Think of this. Let's say we don't pass the ad valorem tax thing and we still collect assessments. Those assessments aren't necessarily uniform and will depend on a particular board's setting of the assessment rate. So, we have to seat the indivdual boards, pay whatever assessment rate they so choose. With the ad valorem tax, there will be uniformity throughout TW and we will not have to seat all the boards, an expense. One Board that taxes everyone the same instead of four or five (I forget how many there are) that can conceivably establish wide-ranging rates. If you're concerned that TCID will over tax us, well, then, what's to keep the several association boards from setting exorbitant assessment rates?

I believe we will overwhelmingly choose to incorporate when that time comes. The expanded district makes sense for now until that time comes. I’m impressed as hell that the governance committee did what they did, that Williams did his thing, that lots of our leaders in the community, businessmen, residents, volunteers, . . have sacrificed a lot of their time and energy to make this happen. CT was a part of all of this as well. Some savvy people decided to start the governance process to examine options for the end of the moratorium. Overwhelmingly, the result of that process was that we ultimately want to incorporate, when we can. No one will dispute that.
My point is CT: You and your supporters have all along implied or outright claimed that you know how we can incorporate now. You act as if this district is a ruse to avoid incorporation. That there is this big bad conspiracy among LOTS of people. And, that this plan in the works must be simply tossed aside because you can do it better. Well, within that context, you have an obligation to explain how you’ll do it, when, how you will overcome the many obstacles along the way, and how incorporation would impact the points Storm was making. You are asking us to take a very big chance that you will perform miracles. I don’t have that much faith in your abilities based on your track record. I do appreciate your comments. My biggest beef with you guys is that all of you wanted incorporation, Merrill did and DOnnelly did in their campaigns. Now, you're doing everything in your power to take away a deal on the table and asking us to place our hopes and dreams in your nonexistent plan. By the way, the TCID Board was elected and some of the appointed members , I believe, are in your camp. Okay – our new slogan will be “Vote yes to props 1 & 2 to set TW free and how about a yes vote for taxes too starting in ___ if you voted yes to votes for props. 1 & 2 , unless you don't have all of the information necessary for you to make a thoughtful decision.”

Kind of like a new slogan for George Bush, Sr. “No new taxes . . .unless we really really really need to but we hope all goes like we think it will”

I really do appreciate your responses, but wish you via your boys could be statesmanlike about it instead of resorting to tacky dirty politics of personal destruction. It's been going on now for about a year. If you are really so right, shouldn't your take on the issues resonate in the community? Democrats always attack personally because losing means they're wrong, which means they're bad. You're not bad for losing, but your boys are bad for resorting to unsavory tactics.

mdonn76405

10-07-2007, 07:58 PM

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Storm

10-07-2007, 09:56 PM

Thanks Storm. You're almost as articulate as CT. Without meaning to probably, you make the bad guys not seem so bad. It sounds like all you're really concerned about is that some folks need to know that assessments, like property taxes, might be reduced as well. I haven't read all the information on the websites about this, but I wouldn't be surprised if that hasn't been stated someplace on one of those sites. Think of this. Let's say we don't pass the ad valorem tax thing and we still collect assessments. Those assessments aren't necessarily uniform and will depend on a particular board's setting of the assessment rate. So, we have to seat the indivdual boards, pay whatever assessment rate they so choose. With the ad valorem tax, there will be uniformity throughout TW and we will not have to seat all the boards, an expense. One Board that taxes everyone the same instead of four or five (I forget how many there are) that can conceivably establish wide-ranging rates. If you're concerned that TCID will over tax us, well, then, what's to keep the several association boards from setting exorbitant assessment rates?

I'm really not trying to side with the good guys or the bad guys (not even sure which is which at any given moment) or make anyone seem different than they are. Believe me, I disagree and disagree strongly with many of the tactics that are used by some of the people that happen to be on the same side of this issue with me. Excluded from that statement is CT and The WoodlandskNOw. I think she and the PAC have done a very admirable job of getting some issues out in a fair and professional manner. I hope they continue to operate like this and believe they will.

Likewise, I disagree with many of the tactics that are being used by the proponents of this legislation. I believe some are intentionally misleading the public and applying strong and at times inappropriate political pressure to try to achieve the election result they want.

My objective in all this is pretty simple - the truth. Presented in an unbiased, professional, and ethical manner. Let the voters go to the polls educated and armed with all the facts and all the consequences of their vote.

I realize politics and influencing votes with information that is not quite the truth goes on all the time. I'm just terrilby disappointed that The Woodlands could not rise above that.

I've thought about the single entity (TCID) and a uniform rate versus the three property associations and their different rates. The combined cost of sitting these three boards is less than what TCID spends in Board expenses, so that doesn't really enter into it for me. And yes, each of the associations can set the rate they choose, but so could TCID. And it's not like all three associations are taxing me, just the one I live in. I know the WCA and TWA are limited by the covenants as to how much they can raise the assessment rate in any given year. I also know they have historically (30 years + for WCA and about 15 years for TWA) lowered the rate on an almost annual basis. What I don't know is what limitations TCID will have in setting the rate. I know they've said 30 cents, but I don't think that's the maximum amount it can be and I don't know if they have a cap on the rate increase like the associations do.

This whole governance thing is about much more to me than money. I've posted alot about the financial aspects because that happens to be something I like to analyze (I know...boring!) and something I think residents should be aware of. But it's not the financial impact of the propositions that has made me decide to vote against them. Their passage subjects Woodlands citizens to unelected representation until 2010. And what's worse is that the legislation didn't have to be written that way. There were other options that could have protected us from annexation AND allowed for representative government. Those options were not taken and not one person that I'm aware of has offered a valid explanation for that. Some proponents say it's no big deal because it's only for a short period of time. Sorry but I just can't subscribe to that theory. Elected representation is a cornerstone of American democracy and I'm not willing to give that up for any length of time. It's not necessarily a trust issue; it's a principle issue for me.

I really do understand the proponents' arguments for the propositions and obviously I understand why reasonable people would be against it. I would just like for everyone involved to stick to the truth - the whole truth - and debate the pros and cons in a respectful manner. That's what I'm trying to do (although I've slipped a few times) and I sincerely apologize to anyone who feels that I haven't.

FamilyGal

10-07-2007, 10:03 PM

mdonn76405

10-07-2007, 10:12 PM

I have it on my mail list, but I'll take it off. Please understand that I do not post everything on here that I know about people. But where were you when she put my last name on here? After that there was no need to worry about it. What is fair for KDRT is fair for me, don't you think?

mdonn76405

10-07-2007, 10:15 PM

It is still on my email list and it is staying there, but when they start screaming and calling me every name in the book and defaming my wife, for me deleting it, are you going to be the first to step up.

Storm

10-07-2007, 10:16 PM

I think it is completely inappropriate that you posted Triadmiss's e-mail on this thread. I checked his/her profile and she does not have it listed. It is not appropriate for you to post for all to see.

I'm really confused if you're talking to me. I'm quoting from post #93 on this thread - the first paragraph. Triadmiss posted it at 7:56 pm. I'm not sure what you're accusing me of.

(I edited to correct the post #)

mdonn76405

10-07-2007, 10:17 PM

mdonn,

Please do not reveal my identity to anyone. There are those who would stop at nothing to get Yes votes on these propositions and I have my family to think about. I know you understand. I have been working 24/7 to stop them as I know you have too. Thank you.

FamilyGal

10-07-2007, 10:18 PM

You have put out quite a bit about your personal life, professional life and even your daughters' names on here. On every one of the links you have posted, it states your first and last name, along with your wife's name. I know you don't have a problem with your information being out there and even feel it lends credibility to what you are posting. But, Triadmiss has not posted his/her information quite as freely. If she posted your name on here and it was not out there before, then it should have been called out as well.

We just have to be careful with how much we put "out there".

ETA: Not EVERY one of the links you have posted. Every is a 100% word, but A LOT of the links you have posted, especially your blog and Woodlands Monitor.

FamilyGal

10-07-2007, 10:18 PM

Storm, I was not referring to any of your posts. Sorry if I was not clear. I think it is taken care of now. Thanks.

admin

10-07-2007, 10:19 PM

Everyone has the ability to call it to attention if personal information gets posted on here. First of all, don't post personal stuff! Secondly, I thought you (MDonn) had posted your last name on here before, so if someone else has done it, I would have just not thought twice about it. I can't catch everything and these threads are a mess to try and follow. I will watch for that from now on.

Everyone - please don't use anything but the username, or a shortened version of it, when referring to a TOTW member. Exceptions are when referring to Board members or any of the people involved in Nov 6 vote, of course, but please don't post anything that isn't found in their BOD bios. This shouldn't be personal; let's try and get back to the issues at stake!

admin

10-07-2007, 10:21 PM

If you think you've been wronged on this board, you should bring it to my attention. I don't want a mess of moderators on this site - we have to "police" ourselves and call out wrongdoing as we see it.

FamilyGal

10-07-2007, 10:21 PM

I stepped up for you before when I felt you were wronged. If I feel you are wronged again on this board, I probably will too. I don't read the other places, so someone else will have to. I just felt that it was wrong to post Triadmiss's e-mail on here. Nothing more. Nothing less.

admin

10-07-2007, 10:24 PM

Thank you for correcting the problem so quickly.

Storm

10-07-2007, 10:26 PM

Storm, I was not referring to any of your posts. Sorry if I was not clear. I think it is taken care of now. Thanks.

No problem. I'm pretty new to this message board stuff and I thought maybe I had really screwed up and clicked on the wrong button or something! I understand now.

FamilyGal

10-07-2007, 10:26 PM

No one has asked you to leave.

My kids where afraid to go out of the house.

Then why would you post their first names on here knowing that your last name is all over the internet? I realize that it doesn't a professional to put two and two together to get that information, but why make it easy if your kids were afraid to go out of the house? That is exactly the reason why we don't need personal information, like names or e-mail addresses that can be traced back to names posted on here.

I'm sorry your family has been harassed. I can only imagine how stressful that is. At least your wife is a lawyer and will know how to handle it legally. Sometimes that is the only way or at least a good way to scare people off.

Once the elections are over, I imagine most of this will simmer down.

Candleman

10-07-2007, 10:28 PM

In fact these wonderful board members told my boss if he didn't ask me to resign he was done.
If you were with Prec. 3 he can only be not re elected. Board members have no say so in his employment.

FamilyGal

10-07-2007, 10:30 PM

Look I know who triadmiss is.

A lot of us know people on these boards in real life. And I'm sure there are several people who actually don't like each other. But, we still need to be respectful of each other's privacy and "play nice". Even if the other person isn't. Attack the post, not the poster. :)

Candleman

10-07-2007, 10:31 PM

No one has asked you to leave.

Then why would you post their first names on here knowing that your last name is all over the internet? I realize that it doesn't a professional to put two and two together to get that information, but why make it easy if your kids were afraid to go out of the house? That is exactly the reason why we don't need personal information, like names or e-mail addresses that can be traced back to names posted on here.

I'm sorry your family has been harassed. I can only imagine how stressful that is. At least your wife is a lawyer and will know how to handle it legally. Sometimes that is the only way or at least a good way to scare people off.

Once the elections are over, I imagine most of this will simmer down.

Including what activities they are involved in at school and the school they attend. Not real smart IMO. I would never do that, Especially if "My kids where afraid to go out of the house."

Wilson

10-07-2007, 10:32 PM

Attack the post, not the poster. :)

Words to live by! Amen to that!

mdonn76405

10-07-2007, 10:35 PM

Boy are you in the dark. Why do you think he lost the contract. I have been deep in this thing for 15 years. You want some detail. County commissioner to testify before federal grand jury. Allegedly stepped out in front of concrete truck on the way. Killed. Beaucamp, drowned on another CC nephews property.
Gunshots to the head. I worked on that. Finally declared a homicide. No investigation.
FBI office opened in the Woodlands to investigate sheriff and drug task force. Drug trafficking, extortion, missing guns, missing drugs, unsolved drownings, with gunshots to the head. potential witnesses found killed. You want more, i have the paperwork.
Last but not least, i was advised by the FBI to make sure I was carrying my gun all the time. I got involved in this crap because I hate corruption, at the risk of me and my family. Sorry I am mad.

Candleman

10-07-2007, 10:37 PM

Candleman

10-07-2007, 10:39 PM

Last but not least, i was advised by the FBI to make sure I was carrying my gun all the time. I carry mine too but I didn't need the FBI to tell me to do so. lol

mdonn76405

10-07-2007, 10:42 PM

Sorry family gal last post was for you. I apologize to being angry but to some of you to your own admission you don't watch the news. Things like politicians convicted of corruption, Army officers arrested for corruption in Iraq. Do you guys think that because they are politicians, all of them are saints.

Female soldier executed in Afganistan because she was going to testify about finance problems, and it goes on and on.

FamilyGal

10-07-2007, 10:48 PM

I'm am, by no means, naive to what is really out there. But, you open yourself up to a lot of it with all that you post about your family on the internet. And, with the heated discussions you get into. It isn't like you are posting recipes and the latest Wii game you are wanting. People in the public eye have a legitimate reason to look over their shoulder when they are pissing people off. I don't think putting your information out there so freely helps the situation though.

If I were in your position, I would be carrying a concealed weapon as well.

Wilson

10-07-2007, 10:50 PM

I don't watch the news. It sells and promotes fear and I have small children in the house and don't want them to see or hear some of the horrific things that are going on out there.

FamilyGal

10-07-2007, 10:53 PM

I apologize to being angry but to some of you to your own admission you don't watch the news. Things like politicians convicted of corruption, Army officers arrested for corruption in Iraq. Do you guys think that because they are politicians, all of them are saints.

I do watch the news. I stated on here that I don't read all of THE WOODLANDS political stuff because I don't even live there. I am very aware of what is going in Iraq and I have never even implied that politicians are saints. I don't even think saints are saints. Corruption is everywhere. Life is ugly, at times.

mdonn76405

10-07-2007, 10:57 PM

I have been in the public eye. I've been featured on FOX here and in DC. Channel 11, 13, chronicle, courier, villager, worldwide military magazines, and I have spoke to several groups in The Woodlands. Most every one who has lived here for awhile knows my whole family.
So what good does do to hide. You know you are right. I am going to close my eyes back off of this and move on my projected day. For the life of me, I have no idea why I devoted my life to helping people, it's not worth it.
I going to ask you to go back and read triad's Post and Dixilou and then come tell me I'm the ass. Bragging on my accomplishments and injuries sustained and $5 will get me a cup of coffee. I was proud of what I did saving some mothers son on the battlefield, but trying to help anyone back here is a waste.

You guys have convinced me.

FamilyGal

10-07-2007, 11:01 PM

Again, I haven't called you an ass. (Well, I did in a joking way a few 100 posts ago.) But, in this case, I didn't. No one gave you a hard time about helping people either. All that was asked was not to post someone's e-mail address on here. Nothing more, nothing less. I understand that you are very emotionally involved in this and may feel that you are not being understood. Just keep posting the facts and all will be fine! How many days until the election? You will definitely need to treat yourself to a day at the lake fishing when it is over. :)

mdonn76405

10-07-2007, 11:03 PM

I don't watch the news. It sells and promotes fear and I have small children in the house and don't want them to see or hear some of the horrific things that are going on out there.

I pray to God they are never touched by it, but that is highly unlikely. Your a good mom.

FamilyGal

10-07-2007, 11:05 PM

I have not gotten involved in the actual conversation about The Woodlands issues. These threads have gone SO far off topic though that we could start talking about chocolate at any point. I have only stepped in when 1) people were trashing you and 2) you posted someone's personal information. You have posted poems and definitions to words that have nothing to do with The Woodlands issues, etc....<sigh>

And please don't take this as I hate veterans.

mdonn76405

10-07-2007, 11:12 PM

Your so right and I got sucked into the childish antics when Candleman, Triad, and Dixie attacked. I know Candleman is just being Candleman, but the other two got dirty and I fell for it. My Bad, I learned in Pych. that all men have a child inside. I try to keep everything I post right off their BIO's, news coverage, or documents posted on line. Next time it looks like I"m regressing, slap me. Just so you know one of them sent me a nasty email and ended up on my email list. Bottom line, that is how she got here.

Candleman

10-07-2007, 11:14 PM

AHHH poor Mdonn, I have not slammed you from day one. Enough of the pitty party. Just so you know I have zero respect for bragadocious types and those that intentionaly try to mislead people to make their position more valid. The half truths and implications that are false are wrong. It does neither side any good. It just muddys the water. The unfortunate part of that tactic, is it may turn off voters that might make a difference in an election. Very few registered voters turn out to vote in the first place. alienating voters by inneundos and mis -stating facts is of no help in that regard. Name calling and veiled threats are not productive in getting a point across.

mdonn76405

10-07-2007, 11:17 PM

I know you don't but by the way I did talk about chocolate on GD.

Candleman

10-07-2007, 11:47 PM

Look Candleman I have nothing against you but your just stepping into something that doesn't have to do with you. You have been trying to slam me since day one. thats fine but this is the last comment for you. If you see a post by me, it defiantly wasn't for you. You want to meet somewhere, we'll talk in person, but no more verbal tennis on here.
Please live by your own words. I am sorry you get so upset at someone that asks you to clarify false or misleading comments. If you are going to put the comments out ther don't get so upset when you are corrected.

triadmiss

10-08-2007, 10:41 AM

Thanks for noticing. And you're right. I have never posted my personal information - for a very good reason - MDonn. He already tries to speculate about who I am because he doesn't like what I say. I have merely pointed out to him that he is a jerk and bully and braggard. I haven't lied about him, suggested innuendo about him, spread lies about him, I've simply attempted to expose his inconsistencies, motives, etc. By the way, it is silly of him to suggest I identified him on this website. How many times here has he linked to his personal website that tells you everything about him that he wants you to know? Countless times. When he ran against Bruce Tough for a WCA position last fall, his web site address, which he obviously told to the reporter, was printed in a newspaper article, in either the Chronicle or Courier or Villager. A very public announcement about his website, wouldn't you agree? He likes to think he knows who I am, but he can only guess. Perhaps he needs to go back a few years and look at his associations at the health clubs, on his street, former neighbors, former colleagues at the Sheriff's Dept., or is it the Constable's Office?, at the few NCL meetings where he gave speeches (talking primarily about himself instead of the topic and, disclosing all sorts of personal info about himself - the man can't stop talking about himself, apparently), at the schools where he hung around, past acquaintances prior to his 18-year marriage to his attorney wife, former attorneys who have had to deal with him, all of this I have taken from his website and here. . . Maybe I will disclose who I am someday. In the meantime, I can only advise MDonn to stop disclosing so much information about himself to everyone he speaks to. You can imagine the innuendo that I could spread if I so chose. Or just started talking to people who have known him.